Senate Torture Report

The Senate Intelligence Committee released a report today which says the Central Intelligence Agency routinely misled the White House and Congress about the information it obtained from detention and interrogation of terrorism suspects, and its methods were more brutal than the C.I.A. acknowledged either to Bush administration officials or to the public.

John Kerry Vietnam veteran giving testimony back in the day before Fulbright committee

John Kerry giving testimony before Fulbright committee in 1971

Dianne Feinstein speaking

Dianne Feinstein – head of Senate Intelligence Committee

When people read about these torture techniques, are we surprised, shocked or angry about these techniques? When you read about water boarding, hitting someone or some other physical discomfort such as sleep deprivation, does this give rise to your deep-seated concerns of how the CIA / military conduct themselves? How should they treat enemy combatants?

Koresh compound, Waco TX, April 19, 1993

Koresh compound, Waco TX, April 19, 1993

How many of these distinguished and inquiring people such as Feinstein, Kerry, etc. were upset about the conduct of the siege at Waco Texas?* Men, women and children were bombarded 24 x 7 with loud music and animal slaughter screams through huge speaker systems mounted to vehicles surrounding the compound. They launched tear gas attacks against these people. They drove large armored vehicles through the walls of their buildings, jeopardizing the safety of women & children. They ultimately burned the place down with the result of 74 men, women and children who died in the inferno. They could have completely avoided the confrontation if the BATF or FBI grabbed David Koresh while he was in town. Where were these Democrats to be heard when this happened? President Clinton authorized Attorney General Janet Reno to do this without regard to the safety of those innocents within.

What about the men and women who have gone into Special Operations Forces, such as Rangers, Seals, or pilots trained for combat? I can tell you from personal experience as a Marine recruit, we were punched, kicked, worked to exhaustion and sleep deprived. It was part of the training. Marine pilots (officers) during the Viet Nam era were trained by Marine enlisted and run through all kinds of hell if captured during war simulations. Oliver North says he was water boarded many times during his training and I’m quite sure that wasn’t unique to him just like my experience wasn’t isolated to only me.

What does the public think? If they understand the nature of guerrilla warfare, they should know it takes some nasty tactics to obtain information from these committed zealots. Capturing enemy combatants means you’re going to interrogate them for extended periods and offering them coffee or tea along with a cookie isn’t going to get any worthwhile information. For these various politicians to act indignant, and say tactics such as sleep deprivation, water boarding doesn’t work, they are either extremely ignorant or are just trying to misinform the American public for their own self advancement.Truth? what difference does it make according to Hillary Clinton

“I full well realize that politics is a rough and tumble business, but politics should not be reduced to lobbing partisan hand grenades. Politics is not war. Terrorism is.”
― Pat Roberts

Spies & former spies are countering the claims made by the Senate report.

* After the BATF and FBI learned that the American Justice Federation had released a press release stating that the use of military troops against United States citizens violated federal law, specifically, the Posse Comitatus act, the BATF released a cover story, claiming that the tanks were “really” not Army, they were national guard, and had been brought in under the “Drug interdiction act” because they had heard there was a “methamphetamine lab” — three weeks after the FBI had already publicly announced there was never any question whatsoever of drug involvement.

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